Curse

Evilsod · Dec 15, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Thanks to Desires for the original build, couldn't find the original thread so i made a new one.

1. Shadow Form
2. Glyph of Elemental Power
3. Sliver Armour
4. Optional 1
5. Optional 2
6. Optional 3
7. Shadow of Haste
8. Dark Escape

As for the Optionals.

Gale, Shock, Aftershock, Rust, Shadow Refuge, Obsidian Flame, Crystal Wave, Tenai's Crystals, Deaths Charge (any others you feel may be useful).

Deaths Charge is almost always required if your running E/A unless your fighting very fast, melee range targets that you can take down easily.

Stats are:

E/A

Earth Magic: 12 + 1 + 3
Shadow Arts: 12
Energy Storage: 3 + 1

16 Earth Magic is pretty much a req, its your damage, theres no reason to lower it. If you want you can use a Sup ES too but it could be expensive health wise if you DP.

A/E

Shadow Arts: 12 + 1 + 3
Earth Magic: 12
Water Magic: 3

If your using Gale (only ever if your against a monk boss you feel needs a bit more kick than just Shock) drop to 15 Shadow Arts to make 5 Air Magic.

Equipment:

Anything with 20% enchantments. Sword/Foci could be better if your using a +1 (20%) earth focus but a simple staff is fine. Alot of energy will be needed if your using Crystal Wave/Tenai's Crystals.

Method:

Set Shadow of Haste at a safe point some distance from the mob (they really like to chase you off nowadays). Stand at the edge of the mob(s) and use Glyph of Elemental Power. Cast Shadow Form. Deaths Charge to the boss (or whatever you have to do, running around with SoH causes things to run around and screw everything up). Use Sliver Armour and any optional skills you need. If the mob has hex removal don't use Rust unless theres more than 1 thing nearby the boss. If your using AL-Ignoring earth skills let them rip. If your using Shock try to predict when the boss may use a skill to interrupt it such as if its chaining.
If Shadow Form/Sliver Armour are running out and the boss is clearly standing. Cancel SoH with Dark Escape then run off if you need. Heal up if you brought Shadow Refuge (Death Nova is a REAL pain if you don't).
If you still can't kill the boss either assume it aint happening or you need to agro more (which given the state of some areas of Tormentville aint hard).

If you suceed in killing the boss, all your skills will recharge, hence you can recast Shadow Form, pick up any drops, maybe recast Sliver Armour and kill any other minons nearby for loot before vanishing SoH cancelling style (thanks for reminding me to point that out VitisVinifera)

Bosses:

This section is a work in progress. I only recently brought my ele into factions and personally with the new Paragon bosses (and the assassin bosses for some reason) having extremely high armour an Ele is alot better.

I've been testing it in the Realm of Torment mostly. Some bosses are serious pains in the ass and require multiple deaths, lots of luck, just the right break or an insanely large mob agro.

Depths of Madness
Reaper of Agony
Consort of Ruin
Ravager of Dreams
Master of Misery (i've only attempted this boss in 1 run and it ended in disaster as it could Taste of Death its minions off all day long after getting 1 corpse but with the right mob agro should be able to be killed)

Nightfallen Jahai
Onslaught of Terror
Shepherd of Dementia
Chimor the Lightblooded

Domain of Pain
Fahralon the Zealous (MUST use Dark Escape when agroing, not SoH, this bosses Mystic Twister hits extremely hard)
Bringer of Deceit (For a monk healer boss its bizarrely easy to kill, or at least it was)

Domain of Secrets
Shakahm the Summoner
This place is tricky with the massive 40% increase in skill costs. I think i killed
Exuro Flatus - but don't remember now, titans seem to have really high AL against Earth and relatively small mobs nearby. More coming when i attempt it.

Domain of Fear
Shrieker of Dread (This is an extremely valuable spear, and for the time i spent trying to kill the boss it should be. Using Crystal/Tenai's it took 3-4 entire mobs assisting to let me kill this. And even then i got lucky as it survived with 1% health left i got HSR thanks to QZ and it charged me again letting me finish it off, would probably be easier if you knew the patrols better).

Sunward Marches
Eshim Mindclouder (it was outside of town and i was bored

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Any additions would be nice.

I have no idea how you get Gems in the Domain of Anguish. But this build can quite easily solo pretty much any creature (bar Stygian Hungers and there dark aura spiking) with ease aslong as it has a mob.

Additional Note:

As SongofSerenity reminded me. Lightbringer Rank helps killing Torment bosses extremely well. As for its effect on bosses, it even increases the damage of Obsidian Flame/Crystal Wave/Tenai's Crystals. All skills with a set damage and its still boosted so Sliver Armour is definatly boosted too.

VitisVinifera · Dec 15, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

I've been messing around with the shadow form / sliver combo in NF a bit.......tried Shrieker a few times, and damn he's a tough guy to get to, and I've killed Vision of Despair (mes, domain of pain) a bunch of times but he won't drop.

Didn't occur to me that I should be using Dark Escape vs Fahralon, I tried that a few times and it was WHAM! Thanks for that tip

Chimor is way easy though.......got his second run

I'll try some of those other guys........never gotten around to really looking around too much but thanks for the leads

Edit: my weapon of choice is Galigord's Staff, though I haven't really looked at other stuff. Also, if you are A/E, and therefor have have a longer Shadow Form and a shorter Sliver Armor, you can actually get off a second Sliver armor for like 2 seconds before SF wears off, incase you have the boss down and need a couple more hits

I tried Exuro a few times but I couldn't come even close, there's his small mob and another small shadow guys mob nearby, and those weren't enough

2nd edit: I'll add that after you kill a boss, all your skills instantly recharge, so when I see that a boss is about to go down, I have my cursor hovered over Shadow Form, and hit it just after he dies, so I know I can pick up the goodies at my leisure

I've been able to solo Master of Misery, but using a necro blood degen / empathy and pinning him on the other side of a wall, but you gotta do the conventional clear the area with heroes and flag them out, so no fast run there

legendary_Ace · Dec 15, 2006, 05:00 AM // 05:00

Sorry to be rude, but this build has been posted and has its own thread, but I guess people kinda forgot and you needa' refresh there memories.

Note: I love how in depth this is, wonderfull work!

Shuuda · Dec 15, 2006, 08:12 AM // 08:12

Zelnehlun Fastfoot, Yammiron, Ether Lord and Birneh Skybringer are pretty easy to do aswell. But Ether lord may need Tenai's Crystals.

BTW would the Mindclouder be a good staff to use with this build, as it gives 15 energy + 5 when HP > 50% = +20 energy, not to mention cool skin. it has become a fav staff of mine. Or would Rajazan's Fervor + a focus be better as you get + energy still, but the 20% longer enchantments.

P.S, I could use some tips on how to beat the monk construct.

Ghost Cat · Dec 15, 2006, 12:12 PM // 12:12

reading skills ftw - i strongly recommend spending some attrib points there

@legendary: the OP mentions the original thread at the very beginning

@above poster: u DEFINATELY wanna have a +20% Enchants Mod on board (also mentioned by OP)

Evilsod · Dec 15, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by VitisVinifera

I've been messing around with the shadow form / sliver combo in NF a bit.......tried Shrieker a few times, and damn he's a tough guy to get to, and I've killed Vision of Despair (mes, domain of pain) a bunch of times but he won't drop.

I didn't really have a good look round the Domain of Pain. Just the Monk and Dervish really... the ones straight in front of me. As for the Shrieker, i ended up fighting him from where the Res Shrine is near the long harpin. Took me a while (those Torment Claws are a pain if you get bodyblocked near 1) but eventually i had a huge agro on him, might be easier if you came in from the other side but then you lose the fail-safe spot of a clear retreat and a res shrine.

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Didn't occur to me that I should be using Dark Escape vs Fahralon, I tried that a few times and it was WHAM! Thanks for that tip

Yeah its a life saver

Theres pretty much no need to use Shadow of Haste. Its almost begging you to never fail giving you 2 Torment mobs that flank him. Wasn't fun when i was hit by a surprise 320 Mystic Twister the first run, lol.

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Chimor is way easy though.......got his second run

Yeah if your A/E you can come in from any side. If your E/A you really have to go in from the back or there are too many mobs in front of you.

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I tried Exuro a few times but I couldn't come even close, there's his small mob and another small shadow guys mob nearby, and those weren't enough

Yeah thinking about it now i don't think i came close either. The Titan Assassin boss in the Nightfallen Jahai is the exact same, he takes so little damage its stupid.

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2nd edit: I'll add that after you kill a boss, all your skills instantly recharge, so when I see that a boss is about to go down, I have my cursor hovered over Shadow Form, and hit it just after he dies, so I know I can pick up the goodies at my leisure

Done, with thanks

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Sorry to be rude, but this build has been posted and has its own thread, but I guess people kinda forgot and you needa' refresh there memories

You don't think i know? I was 1 of the major contributors to that thread. It looks like its been too long without a post and has been auto-deleted by the forum. And as Ghost Cat said... i referenced it in the very first line.

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P.S, I could use some tips on how to beat the monk construct.

Well for a start you need 20% enchantments... To kill the Monk Construct (if your going for that boss only) bring along Obsidian Flame, Shock and Aftershock. Make sure you agro both patrols too, can either involve alot of waiting up the ramp near the Mes Construct for them to converge together or just good agro manipulation. Using Shadow of Haste tends to make it alot harder to do since the mobs break agro.

Evilsod · Dec 15, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Btw, could you post areas please if you intend to add target bosses. Makes them alot easier to check out and add in.

pegasux · Dec 15, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Hey Evilsod good to see your keeping the E/A love comin. I don't remember the boss names exactly but i've been able to farm most any boss in NF. And Shrieker is a pain in the butt! I killed him the frist 4 tries and no drops...tried another 10 times after to only die when he was close to dieing. A very easy area is the entire Vabbi portion. There are very few bosses you can't farm there as you probably already know. The bosses that won't die are the ones with monks that cast life bond on em =(. Also as a note if you can't farm em as an E/A cause of lack of foes to power your Sliver...try going E/Mo (55hp) and use Glyph of Renewal and Sliver. =).

Evilsod · Dec 15, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Yeah the E/Mo 13hp build (used for farming Ghial) is pretty powerful. But thats only ever gonna work in places that have 0 enchantment removal, not too much degen and not insanely high mob sizes. It doesn't really have quite the same durability, specially with Sliver getting its power from extremely large mobs.

I guess i got lucky, the Shrieker dropped the first time i (finally) killed him.

I've pretty much decided on the entire Desolation been impossible to farm with E/A, partially because half the bosses are over the sulfurous wastes, some you couldn't reach anyway because you'd need a full team to get control of a wurm spore and any group with an Acolyte in it couldn't be killed thanks to Shield of Absorption.

Other than Mandragor Imp and the above mentioned area pretty much any boss can be farmed i'd say. Although thinking about it Djinn bosses would be hard due to Angelic Bond, same goes for Skree bosses and there love for Incoming.

HolyHawk · Dec 15, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Yeah, some places in kourman won't be farmeable because of chiblains, vabbi is not so friendly either if there is the blue heket with shielding hands, incoming is a pain also. The desolation has a lot of bosses actually, just avoid the acolytes and you will manage. Tormented area is fully farmeable. It requires a lot of skill avoid or pulling agroes. Domain of secrets is the hardest place since agros are small and the constant 40%+ energy cost. But it has very nice itens. The secret of this build is just having a huge agro, preferably, ranged mobs.

SongofSerenity · Dec 15, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

My contribution: Lightbringer rank

I'm not entirely certain, but I'm pretty sure that a lightbringer rank 5 does 25% more against the demon bosses in Realm of Torment. That's pretty significant when trying to farm them.

Can anyone test to make certain that LB applies to bosses as well?

ultima desturcto · Dec 15, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

I might add, to save attributes, if u put in Earthquake/Dragon stomp + Aftershock works well

Evilsod · Dec 15, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by ultima desturcto

I might add, to save attributes, if u put in Earthquake/Dragon stomp + Aftershock works well

You don't actually need to boost Air Magic to use Shock.

As for EQ/DS. No. Knocking down a single target with Shock is acceptable if its capable of healing itself extremely well. Knocking down a multiple targets is a very bad thing. All it does is lower the damage you get from Sliver Armour because those enemies can't attack while sat on there arse.

Eclair · Dec 15, 2006, 10:10 PM // 22:10

Do you aggro multiple mobs with a constant shadow form up?

VitisVinifera · Dec 15, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Couple more additions:

Wilderness of Bahdza
Moteh Thundershooter -- apparently with a recent update, if you complete Destroy the Harpies, he will double spawn. Ele boss and 2 packs sounds like E/A farming fodder, though I haven't tested this

Eshekibeh Longneck (necro boss)
VERY easy farm, but his green kinda sucks, Sliver always targets the boss

I tried farming Fahralon last night, and it's a bitch getting Sliver to target him. As mentioned, you need Dark Escape to avoid those Mystic Sweep hits, but that generally means after Death's Charge to get to him, by the time Sliver Armor is active, he's like the 3rd closest target. Man I wish you could choose Sliver Armor's target!!!! big time

So I tried Bringer of Deceit, and I simply couldn't get enough damage going, tried using Gale to knock him down so he wouldn't heal but there's not enough damage coming. Did you pull any packs to him?

Evilsod · Dec 16, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

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Originally Posted by Eclair

Do you aggro multiple mobs with a constant shadow form up?

I don't get you. Ideally you should be agroing with a Flat/Longbow or just using your staff/wand and running before it hits. Its best to use Shadow Form at the safest point. Be it after agroing and things are charging into your agro or just before you rush in. With SoH things break agro too easily (the sacrifice for near invunerability) so it can be tricky.

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I tried farming Fahralon last night, and it's a bitch getting Sliver to target him. As mentioned, you need Dark Escape to avoid those Mystic Sweep hits, but that generally means after Death's Charge to get to him, by the time Sliver Armor is active, he's like the 3rd closest target. Man I wish you could choose Sliver Armor's target!!!! big time

Sliver does seem to enjoy targetting some casters as priority. Since he's a melee boss you could always just wait till he wanders out and is alone before jumping in, or just skip Deaths Charge (with 3 mobs to fuel Sliver he's pretty easy) and run in yourself and stop a short distance from the casters.

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So I tried Bringer of Deceit, and I simply couldn't get enough damage going, tried using Gale to knock him down so he wouldn't heal but there's not enough damage coming. Did you pull any packs to him?

I think i came close without agroing others. Eventually i decided to agro the patrol of Margonites that come over the bridge to help. Just wanded the Bringers mob, ran off a bit so they all grouped together, stopped in the patrol path of the Margonites and the Torments charged at me. Used Shadow Form as both mobs closed in, you know the rest.

nekopowa · Dec 16, 2006, 10:09 PM // 22:09

I didn't see this thread open so i placed my videos in the old one. I'll stick them up here too, others can join up with their recordings ^^ so instead of listing we could just make a vid with the whole procedure.

Modti Darkflower: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nVDbrbySSU
Zelnehlun Fastfoot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUilxQC8fDs
Ghial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K6_6gn61a4
Jerneh Nightbringer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_o0-DlKjFY
Eshim Mindclouder and Birneh Skybringer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7QWwDwJ9cA (Hexes can be a pain, but as long as you pick up the loot doesnt matter if you're a kamikaze.)
Chiossen, Soothing Breeze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv-ZWK1fAUU
Fahralon The Zealous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRYn-ZDqTI8
Korshek the Immolated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSdbPSYkjlo

dasboot123 · Dec 25, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

well, there are boss that can be farmed easily in faction.... have you tried Cho, the Empath in Tunnel? or Chung the Attuned, Mina the Shatterstorm, and Baubao Wavewrath in undercity??? Faction am Fah boss are all doable except the sin in Pongeimei valley. Btw this build has numorous problems to get over with..... Sliver target, signet interruption,touch skills, traps, timing, tough to get to boss often, etc.....

you haven't answered my qustion which was your success rate of kiling Sun Reach recently ??/

I guess you are having problem with sliver target too which is pathetic.....

You have to admit that this build contains so many problems to get over with.
New Updates impede e/a farmer and i am having problems recently and I believe you are having it as well but you seem don't like to admit it and that makes me fell shit about you.

however, this build gave me 40 different greens actually i have total of 70 different greens now.

dasboot123 · Dec 25, 2006, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by nekopowa

I didn't see this thread open so i placed my videos in the old one. I'll stick them up here too, others can join up with their recordings ^^ so instead of listing we could just make a vid with the whole procedure.

Modti Darkflower: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nVDbrbySSU
Zelnehlun Fastfoot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUilxQC8fDs
Ghial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K6_6gn61a4
Jerneh Nightbringer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_o0-DlKjFY
Eshim Mindclouder and Birneh Skybringer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7QWwDwJ9cA (Hexes can be a pain, but as long as you pick up the loot doesnt matter if you're a kamikaze.)
Chiossen, Soothing Breeze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv-ZWK1fAUU
Fahralon The Zealous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRYn-ZDqTI8
Korshek the Immolated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSdbPSYkjlo

well gj Chiossen is new boss taht I should try on. Btw do you face the same problems as I do when you are killing Ghial ???

My problem is that sometimes there is few mesmer around the Ghial and whenever i cast the sliver they interrupt me often and i fail.....

I bet you had the lucky zone to kill the Ghial..... however I killed him easily without getting interrupted by sigent from mesmer. If you had the same zone as I did, I bet you are gona FAIL TOO

Try these new boss that are in factions: Cho the Spirit Empath, Baubao the Wavewrath, Chung the Attuned, Mina Shatter Storm, and Rien the Martyr.

They are easy to kill way way way easier than constructs.

Skyreal · Dec 25, 2006, 05:38 AM // 05:38

GJ on Chiossen, last time I tried I could swear there was no heket group near him, only two groups of "beasts" that include ntouka birds (monks). I'll have to revisit him.

Two I could most definitely not do were 1. Enadiz, because of Chilblains all around him, and 2. Shak-Jarin, because of all the minotaurs, all using Headbutt, although maybe I should try again. I tried all these bosses before the green weekend so it was a while ago, and patches have been made. Most notably, it seems they fixed "follow forever" bug.

For the record, I Exuro is one of the easier farms for me. You must NOT aggro a shadow group with a warrior in it, otherwise SA targets it first. There are three groups of shadow near him: the north group usually has a warrior and is rather far away anyhow; the west patrol can be used if there is no warrior, although you must be careful not to lose them if you use a speed buff or Death's Charge. The east group is the most consistent for me - there is never a warrior, and the rangers generally provide good damage for sliver armor. Sometimes I need to aggro Exuro's group, run towards and aggro the shadow group, then Death's Charge back into Exuro.

Fahralon was also an easy one from the start, because I picked up the habit of using Feigned Neutrality on all new bosses. It is also the one skill that allowed me to farm Nightbringer quickly and consistently when he was still in Marga Coast. Also, I used Death's Charge every time against Fahralon, and if you time it so that only the melee enemies and the boss are next to you then SA will target the boss. If you go in and you have casters or Torment creatures around you then there's a very good chance it'll hit them instead.

I have yet to figure out a way to farm the bosses who are in the middle of sulfur, like Ajamahn (even though his green sucks). Ardeh actually is very farmable, if you can figure out how to get around the sulfur and come at him from the back (like I did). I farmed 4 pairs of his daggers, and sold them way after the green weekend for some good gold (I don't care for sundering daggers so I didn't keep any).

EDIT: Forgot to add, for those bosses that have monks that enchant them, try bringing Expunge Enchantments. Sometimes, it works, sometimes it doesn't. I suspect that if you get a spawn with two or more monks you're screwed, although I don't think I've seen a boss with two or more monk consorts using enchants like Life Bond or Shielding Hands.